chaos "berserker" sword - rules clarification
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chaos "berserker" sword - rules clarification
hi lads,
a regular opponent uses the "bersekerschwert" (german name, i don´t know the english one sorry)
this blade costs 40 pt, and gives him extra attacks for enemymodels in basecontact. and in challenges only the models he is fighting counts.
but what is, if a model next to him fights in a challenge?
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o152 ... est009.jpg
in above example, he charged me with his chosen chaosknights, as he hadn´t challenged me, i challenged him.
he accepted with unitchampion.
but he insisted on the point that his chaos hero will get the bonusattacks also for the model that is fighting in the challenge against the unit champ.
is that correct?
thx bARK
a regular opponent uses the "bersekerschwert" (german name, i don´t know the english one sorry)
this blade costs 40 pt, and gives him extra attacks for enemymodels in basecontact. and in challenges only the models he is fighting counts.
but what is, if a model next to him fights in a challenge?
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o152 ... est009.jpg
in above example, he charged me with his chosen chaosknights, as he hadn´t challenged me, i challenged him.
he accepted with unitchampion.
but he insisted on the point that his chaos hero will get the bonusattacks also for the model that is fighting in the challenge against the unit champ.
is that correct?
thx bARK
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Brynjolf Irontooth wrote:If I remember right, the berserker sword says, gets attacks equal to half the models total unit strength of the models he is in base to base contact with. So only check the total unit stength of the models he is in BtB with to make up his attacks.
So he was right.
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But it also says that if the character is involved in a challenge then only the Unit Strength of the opponent is used.
By the same token, if the Hero isn't involved in a challenge, he only uses the Unit Strength of the opponents also not in a challenge.
i.e He wouldn't count the Unit Strength of the Treekin Champion involved in the challenge with the Knights Champion.
That's how I see it.
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I'm still incline to disagree. Because the TK champ is fighting in a challenge, he is, for all intents and purposes, not involved in the combat between the units.
The Hero is attacking the unit and so cannot attack the TK champ. Hence, he cannot use the TK champions Unit Strength unless he is actually fighting him because the TK champion is in a challenge and is effectively no longer part of the unit while the challenge lasts.
The Hero is attacking the unit and so cannot attack the TK champ. Hence, he cannot use the TK champions Unit Strength unless he is actually fighting him because the TK champion is in a challenge and is effectively no longer part of the unit while the challenge lasts.
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I know it isn't totally feeling right, but the rules aren't talking about the fact the models in BtB has to be able to be hit. Or have to be involved at all.
I know this may be looking a bit RAW, but this the only way you can read it.
Fluffwise a challenge is fought totally seperately. So in fact another Treekin would fill the space where the Champion once stood.
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I know this may be looking a bit RAW, but this the only way you can read it.
Fluffwise a challenge is fought totally seperately. So in fact another Treekin would fill the space where the Champion once stood.
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I can see your point of view and Yes it is RAW I suppose but it doesn't feel right! I personally think the 'Challenge' rules are pretty awful anyway but that's another story...
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If models in chalenges are to be counted as "not in the same fight" or however you want to phrase it, shouldn't their spot in the unit fill upp by the guy behind and all that? Often challenges are made so that one less model in the front rank may attack (i.e. the challenger fights there instead).
I think he can use the US of that challenger.
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I think he can use the US of that challenger.
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In normal circumstances the second ranker would fill in, but with Treekin their is no second rank! I can see your argument though Nag, and perhaps I am wrong. I just think its a bit dodgy that you can use the Unit Strength of a model technically not in the fight...
I'm probably going to keep receiving a barrage of arguments against me now.....
I'm probably going to keep receiving a barrage of arguments against me now.....
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I'll meet you there!
P.S I wasn't saying it matters about who provides the right/wrong answer, just so long as a right answer is supplied.
I just always argue my case until someone agrees with me or tells me I'm daft and should just drop it!!
P.S I wasn't saying it matters about who provides the right/wrong answer, just so long as a right answer is supplied.
I just always argue my case until someone agrees with me or tells me I'm daft and should just drop it!!
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