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Unicorns
Ok, I've recently been running a more cav-styled army, and have tried the Stag (which is pretty sweet) and the Unicorn, each running, of course, with Wild Riders. The Unicorn, however, has been a HUGE letdown; it's costing 80 points + defensive gear on the spellsinger, if I take any, which could have EASILY been another 3 Wild Riders. All I'm getting out of it is the MR2 as opposed to MR1, and running a giant unit of WR didn't seem effective enough to justify the extra 1 in MR. The offensive power is mostly lost, since, while nice, Wild Riders do only a little worse since they are so much better then the spellsinger in combat.
I guess what I'm really asking is, have any of you found good uses for the Unicorn? It can't join GR, which woulda been sweet. It can't join Dryads or the Treeman. It seems largely wasted in Wild Riders. And I'm not a fan of Treekin. I wanna convert the model, but with the cost of doing that while GW is fisting conversions is pretty ludicrous, especially if the poor thing will never see the table...
I guess what I'm really asking is, have any of you found good uses for the Unicorn? It can't join GR, which woulda been sweet. It can't join Dryads or the Treeman. It seems largely wasted in Wild Riders. And I'm not a fan of Treekin. I wanna convert the model, but with the cost of doing that while GW is fisting conversions is pretty ludicrous, especially if the poor thing will never see the table...
Re: Unicorns
best use for the unicorn is actually solo and to stay out of combat, use it's movement and the MR to keep the model safe (glamourweave item isn't a horrible idea either) and use the mage as a mobile magic platform
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Re: Unicorns
That MR can be very useful against certain opponents as well. Pay close attention to your opponent and his spell selection. You can advance the unicorn near your troops, to take advantage of the Magic Resistance to help against things like the Casket of Souls, Area-of-effect spells, etc.
It's a pretty specific application of the Unicorn, but one of the more useful ones in my opinion.
It's a pretty specific application of the Unicorn, but one of the more useful ones in my opinion.
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Re: Unicorns
wait, MR helps against area of effect spells? I thought the model (or unit) had to actually be TARGETED for MR to kick in?
As for advancing as a magic platform...what lore are you using? I'm under 2k here, and haven't got much use for the Lore of Athel Loren spells that require line of sight. I mean, only Fury of the Forest needs it, as I recall, and I'm not a fan of that to begin with; better to be treesinging or looking for Call of the Hunt or Ariel's Blessing.
As for advancing as a magic platform...what lore are you using? I'm under 2k here, and haven't got much use for the Lore of Athel Loren spells that require line of sight. I mean, only Fury of the Forest needs it, as I recall, and I'm not a fan of that to begin with; better to be treesinging or looking for Call of the Hunt or Ariel's Blessing.
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Re: Unicorns
Nothing including fury in the lore of Athel Loren needs Lo$.
My current list has a weaver on unicorn in it. If you join the wild riders think of the singer as a WS4 steed, and the unicorn as a S6 wild rider. I use her to get the moonstone though this may change depending on the FAQ. Against less experienced players when your and their units are in the thick of fighting use the unicorn and rider to charge lone enemy mages. Make sure when lone you're not in charge arcs or range as you can't flee.
With unicorn my wild riders can flank and kill a bone gianyt in one turn and unlike the giant the bone giant has an armour save
hope that helps-it's difficult to describe the uses of a unicorn. Just make sure the rider has a ward.
My current list has a weaver on unicorn in it. If you join the wild riders think of the singer as a WS4 steed, and the unicorn as a S6 wild rider. I use her to get the moonstone though this may change depending on the FAQ. Against less experienced players when your and their units are in the thick of fighting use the unicorn and rider to charge lone enemy mages. Make sure when lone you're not in charge arcs or range as you can't flee.
With unicorn my wild riders can flank and kill a bone gianyt in one turn and unlike the giant the bone giant has an armour save
hope that helps-it's difficult to describe the uses of a unicorn. Just make sure the rider has a ward.
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Re: Unicorns
They have. You have to be forest spirit to be on a unicorn, so you have the forest spirit save.Mist Walker wrote:Just make sure the rider has a ward.
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Re: Unicorns
I use the nicorn for a caddy sometimes. Normally, I have to use his scrolls in turn 1, so I can charge out of treekin in turn 2. Target is a warmachine. I often loose the combat, then flee and normally the crew can't avoid leaving the warmachine. Restis up to my Dryads which marched into the same direction and eat up the rest. If I do not flee (one or 2 kills and higher US), the crew is bound and the mage noramlly save for one more round while the warmachine can't shoot.
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Re: Unicorns
My unicorn has yet to be really useful in battle/casting. I just take it because it looks cool. Maybe a bad idea, considering its a HUGE point sink, but I worked so hard on mine that I want people to see it.
I liked it when the rider was a lvl 4 Mage and her mobility really helped with casting Lore of Beast spells. Best use I've had for her so far. Have Glomorweave on her at the very least. Yeah, she's nearly 430 points when suped up. But for my 'bring-her-cause-she's pretty-not-useful tactic' I have her as lvl 1, with nothing on her but a dispel scroll. It's failed once, other times, most people just ignore her.
I liked it when the rider was a lvl 4 Mage and her mobility really helped with casting Lore of Beast spells. Best use I've had for her so far. Have Glomorweave on her at the very least. Yeah, she's nearly 430 points when suped up. But for my 'bring-her-cause-she's pretty-not-useful tactic' I have her as lvl 1, with nothing on her but a dispel scroll. It's failed once, other times, most people just ignore her.
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You have to be affected for magic resistance to work. Page 95.Soul_Stryder wrote:wait, MR helps against area of effect spells? I thought the model (or unit) had to actually be TARGETED for MR to kick in?
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Re: Unicorns
David L: thanks for clearing that up with a page number; I'll have to remember that! Does that work against Comet of Cassendora, during the explosion, or no?
So the general consensus is take a half decent ward save, maybe a lore of Beasts or Life for more offensive power, and try running her that way, as a Weaver, where being forward more is actually more helpful; possibly even soloing her. Hrm....i'll have to try that out after I get the models to hit 2k....
So the general consensus is take a half decent ward save, maybe a lore of Beasts or Life for more offensive power, and try running her that way, as a Weaver, where being forward more is actually more helpful; possibly even soloing her. Hrm....i'll have to try that out after I get the models to hit 2k....
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Re: Unicorns
I had a funny thing happen yesterday with my unicorn (hope it doesn't happen to you). dwarf thunderers killed my singer on the unicorn and brought the unicorn down to one wound. I then got RAAAR on the monster reaction table, and the unicorn was forced to charge into a unit of 25 Iron Breakers in its next turn. It did not do well against them. Lol.
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Re: Unicorns
meggy42 wrote:dwarf thunderers killed my singer on the unicorn and brought the unicorn down to one wound. I then got RAAAR on the monster reaction table, and the unicorn was forced to charge into a unit of 25 Iron Breakers in its next turn. It did not do well against them. Lol.
Yep, the downside of Monsters going ape...
Generally speaking, I agree with the general consensus. Unicorns can be useful sometimes but most of the time I prefer to pass and spend the points elsewhere.
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Re: Unicorns
I reckon just stick with them because they look so awesome !
But that's just me since I care more about how units look as opposed to how they actually play - which means that all my future Glade Guards will come will their full unit command
It's a shame because I want to mount my spell singer on a unicorn as well and they don't have a model for it... I remember back in the 5th edition the Bretonnian's Fey Enchantress was a great model mounted on a unicorn. Maybe you can hunt one down from Ebay and go from there.
But that's just me since I care more about how units look as opposed to how they actually play - which means that all my future Glade Guards will come will their full unit command
It's a shame because I want to mount my spell singer on a unicorn as well and they don't have a model for it... I remember back in the 5th edition the Bretonnian's Fey Enchantress was a great model mounted on a unicorn. Maybe you can hunt one down from Ebay and go from there.
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MR does not work against Comet because as the spell is being cast, no units are being affected, you can not claim magic resistence for some possible effect that will happen at an unspecified timeSoul_Stryder wrote:David L: thanks for clearing that up with a page number; I'll have to remember that! Does that work against Comet of Cassendora, during the explosion, or no?
when the comet falls there chance to dispel it has already passed, therefor, by the time that the comet would be effecting any unit with MR the chance/s to dispel it are long past
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Re: Unicorns
ach, figured. But the spell from the Lore of Light and the one from the lore of Shadows (or is it death?) with the 12" radius can be dispelled with it. I suppose thats still handy.
The Fae Enchantress is, IMO, a VERY ugly unicorn example. Best ones I've seen so far actually come from the Reaper line, which is where I'll be getting mine from
The Fae Enchantress is, IMO, a VERY ugly unicorn example. Best ones I've seen so far actually come from the Reaper line, which is where I'll be getting mine from
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True that the model is not that great but I king of like it. I did a simple conversion I had seen on the French GW site.
But I still have to find a use for such a model...
But I still have to find a use for such a model...
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Re: Unicorns
I've been running a unicorn rider in my current list for awhile. I think its gone pretty well. she typically hangs with 3 treekin (plus elder). Eventually charging out at something (seams to always be a surprise when she does) If you give her the murder of spites she is a solid threat to light units and artillery crews. The MR2 is handy for the treekin, and once her scrolls are gone you can sending her into combat, she has a big range to support a multiple charge from other units as well. Don't forget the mage as a 5+ ward save.
I've tried an archmage as well (lore of Beasts, you can get some great hunters spear shots.) and there are some decent setups, murder of spites again is pretty good, and with the deepwood sphere you can always boogie into a woods with your big Movement for some protection.
Here is an in progress shot of my conversion, using the above mentioned Fey Enchantress unicorn.
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/En ... G_3437.jpg
I've actually finished painting/converting the model since I took those, I getting ready to start an army log thread where I will post them all, always a few more things to paint.
I've tried an archmage as well (lore of Beasts, you can get some great hunters spear shots.) and there are some decent setups, murder of spites again is pretty good, and with the deepwood sphere you can always boogie into a woods with your big Movement for some protection.
Here is an in progress shot of my conversion, using the above mentioned Fey Enchantress unicorn.
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a46/En ... G_3437.jpg
I've actually finished painting/converting the model since I took those, I getting ready to start an army log thread where I will post them all, always a few more things to paint.
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Re: Unicorns
nice work! I got to see a few more cool pics when I was asking on another site about this; gave me inspiration for the model, if not it's use:
anyway, I knew about the treekin trick, but can't do that myself; gonna have to try her some more, I guess, see if I can justify the cost of converting her with the current bitz setup...
anyway, I knew about the treekin trick, but can't do that myself; gonna have to try her some more, I guess, see if I can justify the cost of converting her with the current bitz setup...
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I want to be able to convert like that!!! That is amazing!
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Re: Unicorns
Actually, I believe that is a fairly simple conversion with a SOLID paint job. The Unicorn looks like the Reaper one I plan on using, the legs are just GR legs, the Torso/Head is the DE Morgathi, and the arms are GR again. Throw in some more assorted little bits (like those wings, which are just off of our GG banners) and you've got yourself set. It is nicely painted and all, but I doubt they even needed to use much GS...
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Re: Unicorns
The unicorn is in fact from the classic Bretonnian sorceress Morgana LeFay.
I'm in need of a good unicorn myself. I regret having converting mine (the above) for a dark elf sorceress. Now that Bitz are down, there has presented itself a problem, making conversions.
I'm in need of a good unicorn myself. I regret having converting mine (the above) for a dark elf sorceress. Now that Bitz are down, there has presented itself a problem, making conversions.
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Re: Unicorns
I am using the Rackham Unicorn, but am having trouble finding a figure I can mount on it - it's a very broad-backed creature. For now, I have stuck the emissary the model comes with on the base with it, and have the floaty spellsinger to use if the unicorn gets killed from under her.
http://www.rackham-store.com/boutique_u ... _us&num=13.
I've only run her once, though - she was with a unit of wild riders and got run off the table in the 2nd turn, without using her scrolls.
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http://www.rackham-store.com/boutique_u ... _us&num=13.
I've only run her once, though - she was with a unit of wild riders and got run off the table in the 2nd turn, without using her scrolls.
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Re: Unicorns
If looking for decent unicorns I know that Reaper makes 2 or 3 good looking ones. Wouldn't know how to get the le Fay model, as bitz are down AND archived models are out
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it's a fluff thing mostly. and a chance for a modeller to have fun (look up Angela Imrie's 2006 Games Day gold-winner for an example).