Rethinking Glade Riders.
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Re: Rethinking Glade Riders.
Everything Tom said.. He's entirely correct
Wish he hadn't removed his youtube stuff. I learned a lot from that
Wish he hadn't removed his youtube stuff. I learned a lot from that
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Re: Rethinking Glade Riders.
Depends on your build. If you can beat cavalry and other hard hitters head on, you'll be able to stop them from reaching your infantry bunker, and then, sure, use glade guards/wardancers/scouts for your weaver. But if your build cant do that, then you'll spend half the game redirecting them and eventually they will reach your infantry bunker anyway and kill the weaver - for those builds a glade rider bus of 10+ is good. Also, M18 on your weaver is pretty awesome, especially a beastweaver with Amber Spear out to pincushion cavalry from the flank - and if you want him on a horse throwing Spears, he needs a GR bus. I have tried it myself a couple of time with success. Obsidian Lodestone and Wand of Wych Elm works well on the weaver, and then keep out of enemy range where possible. Spread out to minimise cannons or stone thrower damage, and then the bus will give LOS for at least a couple of turns; by then you should have dealt with at least some of the warmachines if you're playing mobile.tmarichards wrote:Using them as a bunker isn't a great idea, as you end up with a very expensive unit that has very few bodies. This means that you only need to lose a handful of models for the level 4 to not get a LOS, and then once the LOS is gone you're unlikely to have another bunker ready for her to jump into, whereas when the mage is on foot they usually have up to half a dozen units ready to serve that purpose.
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Re: Rethinking Glade Riders.
Glade Riders max out at 10 models per unit.
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I totally wanted to run a horde of 50!
But here, cleverly disguised as a bomb, is a bomb.
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Re: Rethinking Glade Riders.
I feel I need to say something about glade riders
Now I've been vocally against this unit in the past and even rated them as one if the worst 3 units in the book however having tried them out again I have fallen back in love with these guys..
What they are good for
Fained deployment
Double flee
Nicking wounds off things
Warmachine hunters
What they are bad for
Surviving
Actualy killing stuff
Does this either make them worth their points or not worth their points. Personally I am currently thinking they are worth their points for the fained deployment alone.
Now I've been vocally against this unit in the past and even rated them as one if the worst 3 units in the book however having tried them out again I have fallen back in love with these guys..
What they are good for
Fained deployment
Double flee
Nicking wounds off things
Warmachine hunters
What they are bad for
Surviving
Actualy killing stuff
Does this either make them worth their points or not worth their points. Personally I am currently thinking they are worth their points for the fained deployment alone.
Re: Rethinking Glade Riders.
They are too expensive for what they do.
Unless you use some kind of comp system that gives them an advantage I would say use the point other where.
Unless you use some kind of comp system that gives them an advantage I would say use the point other where.
Feel like helping me out? Look at my army list thread: http://www.asrai.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=25040
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Re: Rethinking Glade Riders.
There are youtube stuff on this stuff? When?sentinalofthewoods wrote:Everything Tom said.. He's entirely correct
Wish he hadn't removed his youtube stuff. I learned a lot from that
I must be still in the dark ages when anything related to GW gets taken down.
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Thread necro a go go!
So I recently dusted off my wood elves after some distractions with other armies.
Got in a game vs WoC
Glade Riders were responsible for the win hands down.
Could I have won without them? Not a chance. I needed the 6 units in his face on t1.
Being able to keep my opponent from engaging on his terms was key.
All game they killed a pair of chaos spawn but died to a man, but through their sacrifice I was able to table my opponent.
So I recently dusted off my wood elves after some distractions with other armies.
Got in a game vs WoC
Glade Riders were responsible for the win hands down.
Could I have won without them? Not a chance. I needed the 6 units in his face on t1.
Being able to keep my opponent from engaging on his terms was key.
All game they killed a pair of chaos spawn but died to a man, but through their sacrifice I was able to table my opponent.
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What? 6 units of glade riders won you the game, but only killed two chaos spawn? Tell the whole story!
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Was only 3 units of GR, but 6 units in his face T1.
His army was a pretty standard WoC list, 2 units of 24 Khorne Halberd warriors, 2 units of skull crushers, couple of gorebeast chariots, 4 units of dogs, 2 Tzeentch spawn, and a block of hand weapon shield Tzeentch chosen with BSB, and Lvl 4 general, + shrine.
t1 I jammed all the frenzy units with glade riders or eagles. Focus firing the first spawn away, HoDA got other.
My GG killed dogs, panicked another unit.
T2 he charged I fled at angles pulling his units diagonally out of line.
T3-5 was much like turn two with him chasing me in circles or catching a unit on purpose to force an over run at the angle of my choosing so that I could get flanks with TM or TK.
T6 survivors ran to table edge to hold points.
All game I lost one eagle, 3 5 man GR and a eagle noble.
He lost every unit.
His army was a pretty standard WoC list, 2 units of 24 Khorne Halberd warriors, 2 units of skull crushers, couple of gorebeast chariots, 4 units of dogs, 2 Tzeentch spawn, and a block of hand weapon shield Tzeentch chosen with BSB, and Lvl 4 general, + shrine.
t1 I jammed all the frenzy units with glade riders or eagles. Focus firing the first spawn away, HoDA got other.
My GG killed dogs, panicked another unit.
T2 he charged I fled at angles pulling his units diagonally out of line.
T3-5 was much like turn two with him chasing me in circles or catching a unit on purpose to force an over run at the angle of my choosing so that I could get flanks with TM or TK.
T6 survivors ran to table edge to hold points.
All game I lost one eagle, 3 5 man GR and a eagle noble.
He lost every unit.
Re: Rethinking Glade Riders.
I use my Glade riders to harass the enemy's flanks and to march block. March block doesn't happen all the time, but when it does it give you a little bit more time to shoot the enemy down. Plus, getting behind the enemy lines allows you to pick out cannons and characters that are outside the units, shooting them down a few times, then charging in. Rear charges help out the big units in the front.
Glade riders are a support unit only, you cannont do a front charge with them. They are good for countering other fast cavalry, especially if you put a hero in with them.
I always take blocks of five, and they have helped me win a few games. Not in a big way, but always in a small way.
Glade riders are a support unit only, you cannont do a front charge with them. They are good for countering other fast cavalry, especially if you put a hero in with them.
I always take blocks of five, and they have helped me win a few games. Not in a big way, but always in a small way.
Let them shoot first, we'll shoot best.
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Jamesaet3 wrote:I always take blocks of five, and they have helped me win a few games. Not in a big way, but always in a small way.
I never leave home with out them, besides isn't winning small what we do?
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If he lost every unit, what were your survivors running from to keep their points safe on T6?HeroZero wrote:T6 survivors ran to table edge to hold points.
All game I lost one eagle, 3 5 man GR and a eagle noble.
He lost every unit.
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Likely nothing, but IRS alwayss preferable to reinforce good habits for wood elves like run away to hold points etc.
As others point out its almost never a massacre, but small wins turn to small losses quickly.
As others point out its almost never a massacre, but small wins turn to small losses quickly.