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Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or not?

Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 10:09
by Avian
As the title says can I put a character on a great eagle into a unit of warhawks? On the face of it I should be able to, it's a character mounted on a monstrous beast going into a unit of monstrous cavalry with the same base size, brilliant job done lets shove the twins in there and mess with people.

However, I have seen several people on the forums saying that a character can't join the warhawks, if this is the case why not? I've checked my brb and not found anything to suggest I can't do this but this just makes me think I've missed something. Can someone clarify this for me please?

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 10:21
by MarkM
No. No one can join a unit of flyers. See BRB under Flyers.

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 11:24
by Avian
I'm looking at the "fly" rule on pg 70 and can't see that anywhere and "flyers" aren't listed in the index. Can you give me a page reference please?

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 11:27
by Avian
Ah, got it now on page 97. never mind

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 14:44
by Fitz
Also, they're not on the same base size are they? 50mm for a GE and 40mm for a WH.

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 14:54
by Avian
Eagles are on a 40mm. The metal great eagles that are still sold for high/wood elves come in a 40mm

EDIT: Actually having checked this seems to be a total can of worms with GE base sizes some people say 50, some 40 and there's not a definitive answer. I would say 40 as they're a monstrous beast not a monster but from what I've read there's very little consensus on this one!

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 15:02
by Beithir Seun
Avian wrote:Eagles are on a 40mm. The metal great eagles that are still sold for high/wood elves come in a 40mm

No, they don't. The only Great Eagles you can get from GW now (at least in the UK) are these ones and they come on 50mm bases.

The only Eagles that have ever come on 40mm bases are the old "War Eagles", which are models from 5th Edition Warhammer...

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 15:09
by Avian
Bother. That's quite annoying I shall have to rebase my eagles then, it's especially annoying as I had checked with the store manager where I play before basing them. Ah well, I had been planning on converting up some warhawks anyway...

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 20:40
by Tropic
On a related topic, can you join a character on a Great Eagle to a unit of Great Eagles? I noticed the new rulebook changed the unit size for Great Eagles from 1 to 1+.

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 21:34
by InstantKarma
Tropic wrote:On a related topic, can you join a character on a Great Eagle to a unit of Great Eagles? I noticed the new rulebook changed the unit size for Great Eagles from 1 to 1+.
Sadly nope. Flying Characters, no matter how they are flying, cannot join a flying unit of any kind.

Doesn't make any sense but, such is GW.

I think there was some joke that if you argued you could do that, all the Brettonian players with Pegasus Paladins would start throwing their knights at you in frustration :D

Course it gets even wierder when you look at a character like Tik'Taq'To in the Lizardmen book, and he has a magic item that is supposed to confirm Ambushers onto his unit of Terradon riders, as well as give the Terradons in said unit his WS...and yet, he is prohibited from joining a unit of Terradon Riders!

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 06 Jun 2014, 22:38
by seanr
Heh, that Tik'Taq'To one is crazy, I completely overlooked that.

Just to add, even though a character on a Great Eagle can't join Warhawk Riders, they can fly nearby and get a Look Out Sir save, though the Warhawk Riders will need to be at least 5 rank-and-file strong.

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 07 Jun 2014, 01:17
by Maeglin
Isn't Tik'Taq'To the exception to the rule? In that he (it?) has a separate rule allowing the joining of Terradons. Or was that the previous army book?

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 07 Jun 2014, 12:43
by mjHession
Yeah, it's really silly in some cases. My wife plays Brets and half the time I just let her Pegasus paladin Juan a unit of Pegasus knights rather than hear her complain about how stupid the rule is.

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 07 Jun 2014, 18:14
by InstantKarma
Maeglin wrote:Isn't Tik'Taq'To the exception to the rule? In that he (it?) has a separate rule allowing the joining of Terradons. Or was that the previous army book?
Previous book. Current book doesn't explicitly list an exception for him. Unless some Lizardmen players have figured it out otherwise.

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 07 Jun 2014, 19:15
by Zimmonda
Do people really not let tik taq to join terradon riders?

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 07 Jun 2014, 21:01
by InstantKarma
Zimmonda wrote:Do people really not let tik taq to join terradon riders?
I was under the impression that while his rules imply he should be in a unit, that since he was not given an explicit exemption from the rule in the BRB that some people do not.

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 07 Jun 2014, 21:03
by Zimmonda
InstantKarma wrote:
Zimmonda wrote:Do people really not let tik taq to join terradon riders?
I was under the impression that while his rules imply he should be in a unit, that since he was not given an explicit exemption from the rule in the BRB that some people do not.
Thats kinda messed :(

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 07 Jun 2014, 22:40
by nated4444
this is somewhat related so can a flier say (naestra and arahan) join a unit of calvery say.... sisters?
thanks

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 00:43
by Domine Nox
Probably no, but even if they could they would no longer be able to fly so the whole unit would move at Gwindalor's base speed which would be 2".

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 04:37
by dg1
The reason a mounted character cannot join a unit of flyers is because the skirmisher special rule in the BRB says characters on mounts cannot join a unit of skirmishers (BRB, p. 77). Units with more than one model with the fly special rule count as skirmishers (BRB, p. 70). The reason for this was originally assumed to be that the skirmishers were infantry but GW specifically issued an FAQ for Bretts saying that the Brett characters on pegs could not join a peg knight unit. GW also did not FAQ the rules for skink chiefs on terradons (nor ripperdactyls either). GW should have issued an FAQ or errata saying that characters on flying mounts my join flying units of the same unit type. Also, on page 97 of the BRB it says a character cannot join a unit of flyers (due to too many ill-disciplined wings) unless otherwise stated.

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 16:53
by Phil Rossiter
nated4444 wrote:this is somewhat related so can a flier say (naestra and arahan) join a unit of calvery say.... sisters?
thanks
Yes, so long as they're not riding a Monster. Can be useful against BS shooting for example.

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 17:23
by mjHession
Phil Rossiter wrote:
nated4444 wrote:this is somewhat related so can a flier say (naestra and arahan) join a unit of calvery say.... sisters?
thanks
Yes, so long as they're not riding a Monster. Can be useful against BS shooting for example.
True, but I do think Domine Now is correct in saying...
Domine Nox wrote:Probably no, but even if they could they would no longer be able to fly so the whole unit would move at Gwindalor's base speed which would be 2".

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 09 Jun 2014, 23:50
by Masternecrotect
The reason he cant join is that the warhawks are flying cav. Unit the same reason a Bret lord on peg cant join. Lizards tiq taq toe can join terradons because they aren't flying cav. Also the eagle is on a 50mil base not 40

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 10 Jun 2014, 03:08
by nated4444
isn't the cavalry 25 by 50 though

Re: Eagle characters; can they go into units of warhawks or

Posted: 10 Jun 2014, 03:24
by mjHession
Masternecrotect wrote:The reason he cant join is that the warhawks are flying cav. Unit the same reason a Bret lord on peg cant join. Lizards tiq taq toe can join terradons because they aren't flying cav. Also the eagle is on a 50mil base not 40
By this logic an eagle rider could join a unit of eagles...