Unicorn Mages

[OfTheThorn]

I have recently bought all the parts I need for a unicorn conversion… Now I just need to figure out how to viably run a unicorn wizard once it's finished!

I get that spell singers gain the most out of a unicorn mount, in the extra wound, but is a solo spellweaver with 4++(2) viable? I had plans to go High Magic, build up tokens on her as quickly as possible and then charge her into a Wild Rider unit before they charge.

[frogboy]

I was thinking a level 1 with beasts or shadow and a dispel scroll. Put her in a unit of Wild Riders with full command to give them a bit of magic defence.

Edit. Probably worth having another character in there two to keep the Uni-mage in the back rank.

[Luminith]

I'm debating a Mage bunker sisters of the thorn unit. A Lv.1 on a unicorn would give the unit a 2+ vs magic, which is nice

[Mollesvinet]

I was thinking high magic would be good on a unicorn weaver. This way you don''t need to rely on look-out-sir, you can just discard the wound with a counter.

While sisters of the thorn would be a nice place given their 4++ ward, i was thinking about a group of wild riders. She could accumulate counters during the first couple of turns, then on the important charge the unit would dish out damage and take none in return due to tokens.

Edit: Using high magic also seems to be the best way to protect a spirit sword character in the same unit

[TheSupremePatriarch]

This may sound like a bit of a naïve question, but I was thinking of running a Spellweaver on a Unicorn in a unit of Sisters. Would this take the fast cav rule away from them as the Unicorn is a Monstrous Beast? And if so, does this mean the Sisters wouldn't be allowed to march and shoot? I'm trying to cobble together a new list and not too sure what to do as of yet :P

[gingersmali]

http://www.asrai.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=26403

Move and shoot would be fine, but they would loose fast cav so no marching and shooting. Also you woundn't get LoS.

[TheSupremePatriarch]

Ah yeah that makes sense...no unicorn then I guess :P cheers mate

[OfTheThorn]

The issue with bunkering the mage with Sisters is their loss of Fast Cavalry. They really do want to be moving and shooting, and they especially want to be using feigned flight if necessary. A banner bearer and the Litchbone Pendant (1) gets you a respectable 3++ vs. magic, and the spellsinger can join them on an Elven Steed. I think I will need another game or two to decide whether I am underwhelmed by the sisters.

What would be the most likely threats for a level 4, Moonstone, Talisman of Preservation, Unicorn Darkweaver on her own..?

[frogboy]

Ah yeah that makes sense...no unicorn then I guess :P cheers mate

You have to have a Unicorn, I'm sure there's something in the rules which explicitly say so...

Unicorns for the win

Also I'm going to merge this thread with another thread which is similar and will answer the same question if it comes up there...

[gingersmali]

The issue with bunkering the mage with Sisters is their loss of Fast Cavalry. They really do want to be moving and shooting, and they especially want to be using feigned flight if necessary. A banner bearer and the Litchbone Pendant (1) gets you a respectable 3++ vs. magic, and the spellsinger can join them on an Elven Steed. I think I will need another game or two to decide whether I am underwhelmed by the sisters.

What would be the most likely threats for a level 4, Moonstone, Talisman of Preservation, Unicorn Darkweaver on her own..?

Bs shooting, doom divers, cannons, stone throwers, bolt throwers, hell blasters, organ guns etc..

[OfTheThorn]

I was thinking high magic would be good on a unicorn weaver. This way you don''t need to rely on look-out-sir, you can just discard the wound with a counter.

While sisters of the thorn would be a nice place given their 4++ ward, i was thinking about a group of wild riders. She could accumulate counters during the first couple of turns, then on the important charge the unit would dish out damage and take none in return due to tokens.

Edit: Using high magic also seems to be the best way to protect a spirit sword character in the same unit

Exactly what I was thinking! Build up a buffer of counters by casting safely from a forest. Even useless spells! Hell, Apotheosis yourself on maximum wounds just so your opponent looks at you funny and lets it through. THEN charge her into a unit they don't want those counters to be anywhere near.

[TheSupremePatriarch]

The issue with bunkering the mage with Sisters is their loss of Fast Cavalry. They really do want to be moving and shooting, and they especially want to be using feigned flight if necessary. A banner bearer and the Litchbone Pendant (1) gets you a respectable 3++ vs. magic, and the spellsinger can join them on an Elven Steed. I think I will need another game or two to decide whether I am underwhelmed by the sisters.

What would be the most likely threats for a level 4, Moonstone, Talisman of Preservation, Unicorn Darkweaver on her own..?

Bs shooting, doom divers, cannons, stone throwers, bolt throwers, hell blasters, organ guns etc..

yeah I used to run Morathi in my DE list. Massed shooting is horrendous for any lone character, the only time I seem to survive that is with a model that has a 3++

[TheSupremePatriarch]

oh and cheers to whoever moved my thread into the right place

[OfTheThorn]

yeah I used to run Morathi in my DE list. Massed shooting is horrendous for any lone character, the only time I seem to survive that is with a model that has a 3++

Yeah I figured as much... This makes Drycha a tempting prospect. With unicorns now being Forest Spirits, she could keep that spellweaver slumbering long enough for our shooting to thin out any mass threats.
That said, toughness 4 and a 4+Ward amulet might just keep her breathing long enough to start building artificial wound counters? It doesn't hurt that apotheosis also adds a fake wound, if she does get peppered.

[TheSupremePatriarch]

yeah I used to run Morathi in my DE list. Massed shooting is horrendous for any lone character, the only time I seem to survive that is with a model that has a 3++

Yeah I figured as much... This makes Drycha a tempting prospect. With unicorns now being Forest Spirits, she could keep that spellweaver slumbering long enough for our shooting to thin out any mass threats.
That said, toughness 4 and a 4+Ward amulet might just keep her breathing long enough to start building artificial wound counters? It doesn't hurt that apotheosis also adds a fake wound, if she does get peppered.

That's a really good tactic for a lone caster - T4 and 4++ protects her against some shooting and the wound counters can protect her too. There's also the fact that against a horde you could stick her on Dark Magic and use Soul Stealer, she can bring her wounds up that way. In both of those situations, I'd say it comes down to how much shooting your opponent wants to direct at a lone caster - at some point they're gonna have to deal with the multitudes of archers, fast cav and treemen coming towards them :P

[Luminith]

Ah yeah that makes sense...no unicorn then I guess :P cheers mate

You have to have a Unicorn, I'm sure there's something in the rules which explicitly say so...

Unicorns for the win

This is actually true. It's an unwritten warhammer law.

What about 2 or 3 great stag glade captains with a unicorn highmagic weaver hiding in the back with a moonstone? Theyd get where they needed, they'd pack a punch, and theyd have some defense against shooting with the tokens of negating.

Btw would a single token negate a cannonball? I imagine it would, as its a single wound, causing d6 wounds. Thats pretty sweet

[OfTheThorn]

Btw would a single token negate a cannonball? I imagine it would, as its a single wound, causing d6 wounds. Thats pretty sweet

My kneejerk reaction was no, as I thought the tokens were used instead of wounds. But reading the attribute again, it turns out that they allow us to treat a wound as saved, and that does mean it's 1 token per cannonball!

[Luminith]

Actually, high magic would be great for taking the forbidden rod, as well! You get that extra magic punch, and you're guaranteed to not kill yourself if you have at least one token.

[MountainMammoth]

Since the tokens count as a passed save, it is one token per cannon ball. And the unicorn as a monstrous cav model would stop the bounce. I was thinking about using this to protect a tree man until I ran out of points and had to drop the tree man.

[Malkrit]

That is just totally amazing! Our own "unkillable" lone character afterall!

disclaimer: do not expose "unkillable character" to combat, arrow fire, organ guns, magic missiles or more warmachines than she can cast spells.

[OfTheThorn]

That is just totally amazing! Our own "unkillable" lone character afterall!

disclaimer: do not expose "unkillable character" to combat, arrow fire, organ guns, magic missiles or more warmachines than she can cast spells.

Haha. If only she was in the same league as the 'unkillables'. Still, I'm glad people seem to agree she will have some uses!

[Renufus]

Since the tokens count as a passed save, it is one token per cannon ball. And the unicorn as a monstrous cav model would stop the bounce. I was thinking about using this to protect a tree man until I ran out of points and had to drop the tree man.

I like this idea in theory but can't see it being viable except in really large games. Running an expensive Spellweaver around on a Unicorn with no protection from LOS is very risky, and a smart player would plink those protection markers off your T4 no save model with arrows first. But it's a cool trick to keep in mind nonetheless.

[kakwah]

Lvl 4 death on a unicorn with a 4++ and toad scroll is amazeballs.