I... seem to be missing something here. I've been over my copy of the BRB twice now, and I can't find anything that says skirmishers have no penalties to hit.Drstrangelove wrote: 10 inch march and shoot on a 30inch longbow with no penalties to hit.......this is UNPARALLELED mobile shooting in 8th edition WHFB.
Warhammer 8th edition rulebook, special rules section, page 77, skirmishers 'Fire on the March' wrote:However, the normal -1 to hit penalty for moving and shooting still applies.
That is what it says on the subject on skirmishers shooting in my copy of the rulebook (as well as saying they can shoot if they've marched or reformed). I'm not meaning to be hostile or anything, this is something I'm genuinely confused about. Was there a FAQ or errata that changed this?
Oregonwoodelf wrote:I'm also very confused by the "I don't like the feel of the book" and the "fluff has been ruined". The feel/fluff changed dramatically from 5th to 6th and most of 6th we just had a ravening hordes page for a book. We went from the happy little elves to the green peace xenophobes. I think "the feel has been ruined" is as valid as me arguing the feel from 5th has been ruined by the newer books. Or the feel from ravening hordes(No fluff!!!!) has been ruined by the new books. But I have only been playing WE a measly 15years.
I freely admit that it is something very subjective - what exactly the feel of the book is and whether or not the background has been improved or not will vary from person to person. We are all different after all, and as such all have different tastes and preferences. I imagine there were probably a fair few people who felt that the 6th edition book ruined the flavour and background of the one before it. And indeed you could argue the newer books ruined the feel of the 5th edition one and be perfectly valid, since if that's what you hypothetically felt about it then you'd be free to express that opinion. I'm not sure about the others, but I for one am not trying to claim that the new book is universally bad and everyone should hate it (and I am very sorry if I came across that way, I did not mean to), simply that I myself, personally, am not happy with it, and that I personally feel that at least some of the feel of the last book has been lost in it. That is however, simply what my own personal feelings are on the subject.
Coyle_Ravane wrote:I did have friends who didn't like the change though. There are always people who loved the way it was and just want that brought up to date (after the dwarf release I hoped that would be the case for us too this time). In a marked difference to the current discussion, I tried to show them what I thought was great about the new book, but when they didn't share my enthusiasm, I respected their feelings about it, and tried to be supportive in the hope that they'd keep playing and eventually come to enjoy the new book.
Now, I'm going to keep playing anyway. I've already said that it is a good book overall, several times. I have already found a tactical style with the new army that I can enjoy, and isn't too hugely different to my old style. But I am not going to have as much fun playing with the new book, it can't fight the way my army did before.
People can talk about scouts and magic arrows, but that doesn't work for me because I'm paying a lot more points for a unit whose extra mobility doesn't help in the situations I used to use it because of their much larger unit footprint, and who don't hit as hard with their shooting.
I hope wizzy will reconsider, and that everyone who doesn't like the new book as much will find a way to keep enjoying their wood elves. For me, it will be trying to get more out of the hobby side, which I have always tended to ignore, to make up for not enjoying the way my army plays as much (and I can't wait to show you all the waystalker conversions I am starting as soon as I get some more greenstuff!).
If Wizzy or others do quit however, I won't blame them, especially in light of the condescending, unsupportive, disrespectful and flat out rude reception they've been given by some people, for having the temerity to not love the new book.
I tend to agree with this, especially the part in bold. It may just be because I seem to be in the minority opinion, but I've been noticing a slight amount of heat being directed towards those who are unhappy with the new book. It's perfectly well and good to have an opposing viewpoint, after all an important part of a discussion forum is healthy debate and, well, discussion. But it's best to keep things as supportive and constructive as possible, and I don't think condescending and disrespectful tone and language will help facilitate a good discussion or the friendly atmosphere that this site so often has. I may not be happy with the new book at the moment (and that could change in the future), but I'm still really enthusiastic about the Wood Elves in Warhammer in general. Some people aren't pleased with the new book, it always happens with any new release, that's just how it is, but that doesn't make their feelings any less valid than those who love the change. We're all still Wood Elf fans, and no new book is going to change that (I think).
EDIT: odd, it seems to have merged in part of my post with my quotes. I've tried a bunch of things, but cannot seem to fix this. If anyone can help with that I would be very thankful. Very easily fixed, you were just missing a speech mark (") at the end of your quote ~ Beithir