Nought, your reference to Acorns isn't entirely accurate.frogboy wrote:Noght wrote:
If we use this rule interpretation, then we couldn't even deploy our free Woods.
There are 2 requirements for using the Acorn: after Terrain is set AND before units are deployed. Theoretically you could use the Acorn before the free Wood (before sides are determined) or after the free Wood (after sides are determined). See it's my item, I get to decide as long as I meet the AFTER terrain and BEFORE units deployed limitation. Oh and AB > BRB.
I agree with this Noght and am going to have to disagree with the majority of other posts on this thread because...
Its absolutely ridiculous to think you would deploy the acorn before choosing table sides !
There's nothing in the rules to say you have to and for fluff reasons I'm not having it that a handmaiden just happened to wonder into the enemy's deployment zone before the battle and began planting seeds "oh hi beastmen, lovely day for planting seeds" Come on !
If somebody quotes a rule which explicitly say "use the acorn before choosing sides" then I will eat my words but otherwise please stop trying to find faults in the rules.
"Before deployment begins" is not "before units are deployed". It's referencing the entire phase of deployment. This is further supported by looking at the six Battle scenarios described in the BRB. Every one of them has a "THE BATTLEFIELD" section followed immediately by a "DEPLOYMENT" section (all caps from the book). It's no coincidence that the Acorns rule references the same two sections in the same way; all that's missing are the all caps.WE 8e, p.63 wrote:Acorns of the Ages
...At the start of the game, after the battlefield has been set up, but before deployment begins...
The first four Battles--Battleline, Dawn Attack, Battle for the Pass and Blood and Glory--all have the same opening statement in the DEPLOYMENT section:
The fifth Battle (Meeting Engagement) alters this slightly based on the diagonal deployment board with the following statement, also in the DEPLOYMENT section:BRB p.144, 145, 146, 148 wrote:Roll off to see which player picks the half of the table they [will/want to] deploy in....
The sixth Battle (The Watchtower) is similar, but gives the choice to the opposing player during the DEPLOYMENT section:BRB p.149 wrote:The players roll off and the winner chooses the two opposite corners to be used and which half of the table each player will deploy in...
In all of these cases, it's quite clear that sides are chosen during the DEPLOYMENT phase, after THE BATTLEFIELD is set up. As such, the Acorn Woods are set up before the sides are chosen. In contrast, the free Wood we receive explicitly states that it's placed "during deployment, before any units are deployed..."BRB p.150 wrote:Roll off to see who controls the watchtower at the start of the battle... The opposing player then picks the half of the table they will deploy in....
Not trying to find fault with the rules here. Just want to make sure we are all on the same page that Acorns Woods have to be placed before sides are chosen while the free Wood is placed after sides are decided upon. In fact, I think placing the Acorns Woods first before sides are decided actually benefits us. How else could we get the chance to get Woods into the opponent's side of the board so you can Moonstone over to them? Say you roll a 2 on the d3. You can virtually guarantee this by putting one Wood in the center of each half of the board. It would take an extraordinarily unfortunate scatter to get it back to the center of the board.