The Boetian Phalanx Hoplites is 100% complete lots-o-PICS!
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The Boetian Phalanx Hoplites is 100% complete lots-o-PICS!
Well my Boetian Phalanx (Theban Greek Themed WE) is complete. It's just in time for the Alamo GT too which is this weekend Nov 4+5. I hope you enjoy the pics, the most recent battle reports are here: http://woodelves.org/viewtopic.php?t=5244
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In the Militia Hoplites the Hero leadign them is the black-haired man 4th from the left.Kyte wrote:What a neat army! BTW, Where's your characters?
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In the Sacred Band the Battle Standard is the large banner 2nd from the left and the General is next to him with the laurel crown 3rd from the left.
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The only thing that could make this be cooler is longer spears so the phalanx looks even more impressive but other then that all I gotta say is bravo.
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The Macedonian Phalanx had spears long enough to be able to fight in five ranks.TerminusEst wrote:The only thing that could make this be cooler is longer spears so the phalanx looks even more impressive but other then that all I gotta say is bravo.
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spears are suppossed to be long enough to be used in one hand and fight in up to 3 ranks... which is what these guys represent.Foxtale wrote:The Macedonian Phalanx had spears long enough to be able to fight in five ranks.TerminusEst wrote:The only thing that could make this be cooler is longer spears so the phalanx looks even more impressive but other then that all I gotta say is bravo.
Oh right, hoplites, not Macedonian phalanx guys. :/ They used two hands. Did they use a shield though?
Kudos to painting up so many though. That's just insane. Didn't you get bored painting them all up? 70 identical guys... geez.
Kudos to painting up so many though. That's just insane. Didn't you get bored painting them all up? 70 identical guys... geez.
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http://www.RemanLegions.com this is my Reman Legions army with 200+ identical models... so 70, not bad!Foxtale wrote:Oh right, hoplites, not Macedonian phalanx guys. :/ They used two hands. Did they use a shield though?
Kudos to painting up so many though. That's just insane. Didn't you get bored painting them all up? 70 identical guys... geez.
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I was thinking of that when looking at his miniatures too I love the way hoplites(sp?) look in the game especially the black and orange macedonian ones, too bad my Scythian Allies run circles of arrow death around themTethlis wrote:Makes me want to go play Rome: Total War. Sacred Band were amazing...
And 70+ miniatures is crazy, I start losing my sanity if I do more then 2 a day.
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The wind fed him, the water clothed him, the fire guarded him, the earth he guarded.
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I started this army less than 2 months before it was finished... I built the first models in the first week of september and finished the last week of october... 122 models plus display base, plus my free wood base I might be able to use sometimes all in 2 months... the fastest I've ever painted before!TerminusEst wrote:And 70+ miniatures is crazy, I start losing my sanity if I do more then 2 a day.
It's amazing what a deadline can do to motivate you!
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Off topic:TerminusEst wrote:I was thinking of that when looking at his miniatures too I love the way hoplites(sp?) look in the game especially the black and orange macedonian ones, too bad my Scythian Allies run circles of arrow death around themTethlis wrote:Makes me want to go play Rome: Total War. Sacred Band were amazing...
Try fighting Parthia. They're my personal favorite. Own you with horse archers, before charging your survivors with a combination of heavy cataphracts and War Elephants. Most competitive civilization in the game, in my opinion. No wonder the Romans never conquered them.
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Well done to King Leonidas for the speed painting. Getting so many models ready for the tabletop in such a short amount of time is no easy feat.
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they're all pretty impressive!! nice manipulation of the component ranges as well
just out of curiosity what bodies did you use for the hoplites??
just out of curiosity what bodies did you use for the hoplites??
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Moreover, Mommsen's History of Rome indicates there was an expression current in the second century BCE, "as certain as a hoplite's shield," which seems to have been used much as we today will say that a proposition is as certain as it is that bears make nightsoil in the forest. More certain, indeed, since we are not subject to rules of nicey-nicey when we speak colloquially. But you get the picture. I hope. (Maybe we just use the expression on this side of the pond, in which case we have anoter instance of the US and UK being separated by a common language.)
The only problem I have with the nomenclature is that these models (absolutely drop-dead gorgeous work, 10 on the cool mini scale) are not carrying hopla. The hoplon was large enough to cover the hoplite and his shield-bearer. In other words, the shields just are not big enough. Also, because the hoplon was so gawdawful heavy, one should adopt a house rule that reduces the move of hoplon-bearing troops by at least 1", but give the unit impact hits on the charge from the mass of shields backed by diehard troops equal to the number of soldiers in the front rank. Hoplites on the charge were so very effective (against troops that were not similarly-equipped) that many units just fell apart from the kinetic energy impulse of the phalanx hitting home.
The question turns out to actually be quite interesting. Yes, hoplites carried shields. I had learnt at university that the word "hoplite" was derived etymologically from the Greek hoplon, hopla, shield. However thanks to the power of google, it turns out it's controversial whether hoplon means "shield" or "armour." Personally, I support the faction that holds that <hoplon> = shield, hence hoplite = shield-bearing soldier.Oh right, hoplites, not Macedonian phalanx guys. :/ They used two hands. Did they use a shield though?
Moreover, Mommsen's History of Rome indicates there was an expression current in the second century BCE, "as certain as a hoplite's shield," which seems to have been used much as we today will say that a proposition is as certain as it is that bears make nightsoil in the forest. More certain, indeed, since we are not subject to rules of nicey-nicey when we speak colloquially. But you get the picture. I hope. (Maybe we just use the expression on this side of the pond, in which case we have anoter instance of the US and UK being separated by a common language.)
The only problem I have with the nomenclature is that these models (absolutely drop-dead gorgeous work, 10 on the cool mini scale) are not carrying hopla. The hoplon was large enough to cover the hoplite and his shield-bearer. In other words, the shields just are not big enough. Also, because the hoplon was so gawdawful heavy, one should adopt a house rule that reduces the move of hoplon-bearing troops by at least 1", but give the unit impact hits on the charge from the mass of shields backed by diehard troops equal to the number of soldiers in the front rank. Hoplites on the charge were so very effective (against troops that were not similarly-equipped) that many units just fell apart from the kinetic energy impulse of the phalanx hitting home.
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The phalanx was utilized as a combat formation in both Hellenic Greek and Macedonian traditions. The Hellenic Greek City states used thrusting spears and large shields, while the pikemen of the Macedonian tradition used the two-handed Sarissa pike (significantly longer than the thrusting spear of the Greek Cities) used a small buckler, counting on the length of the Sarissa to protect them. I believe the army in question here falls into the latter category.
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Who would be foolish enough to let them get charged by something that moves relatively slow? They'd have to count on cavarly to protect them because missle troops would just pummle them same goes for troops that employ guerilla warfare tactics. While I do no doubt phalanxes and hoplites in particular were effective I think it took a certain kind of opponent to fight against, namely someone who had an established city or fortification and did not have the liberty to run or outmanuver the hoplites.cybersharque wrote:Also, because the hoplon was so gawdawful heavy, one should adopt a house rule that reduces the move of hoplon-bearing troops by at least 1", but give the unit impact hits on the charge from the mass of shields backed by diehard troops equal to the number of soldiers in the front rank. Hoplites on the charge were so very effective (against troops that were not similarly-equipped) that many units just fell apart from the kinetic energy impulse of the phalanx hitting home.
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Vântu îl hrănea, apa-l îmbrăca, focu îl păzea, de pământ ferea.
The wind fed him, the water clothed him, the fire guarded him, the earth he guarded.
Vântu îl hrănea, apa-l îmbrăca, focu îl păzea, de pământ ferea.
The wind fed him, the water clothed him, the fire guarded him, the earth he guarded.