Negating ranks

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Negating ranks

Postby Dark Carrot9 » 01 May 2010, 14:41

can soomeone please explain how you negate rank bonus?
RaF is getting annoying in my tactics

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Re: Negating ranks

Postby LordTobiothan » 01 May 2010, 20:01

Flank/Rear charge with a US5+ non-skirmishing unit
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Re: Negating ranks

Postby Strongbow » 07 May 2010, 21:58

So, let me pull out what was said above a little.

It's less likely that you will negate rank bonuses with a wood elf army, as most of our CC troops are going to be fast cav or skirmishers.

However, the way to negate rank bonuses to CR is to get a flank attack or a rear attack against the unit in question.

Now, negating rank bonus is different from getting a bunus to CR for a flank or a rear. You can get the +1 CR for flanking and/or +2 CR for rear attacks. Those bonuses will help to counterbalance the static CR from your oponent's ranks, but it will not negate them.

The wood elf army works best as a swarm army on the charge.
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Re: Negating ranks

Postby ArchMagosAlchemys » 08 May 2010, 01:27

The 'best' rank negater is 1 x 5+ WR in the flank or rear. Other units, such as GR or even GG can do it, but are very squishy.. Dryads/WD in the front, WR in the flank/rear will see of an awful lot of units.
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Re: Negating ranks

Postby Mivari » 08 May 2010, 10:29

just a supplement question question does a combo charge in the flanks AND the rear, lest say WR in the rear and dryads in the flank give 3 CR and neglet ranks ?
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Re: Negating ranks

Postby Splintercell » 08 May 2010, 17:19

Mivari wrote:just a supplement question question does a combo charge in the flanks AND the rear, lest say WR in the rear and dryads in the flank give 3 CR and neglet ranks ?

Yes, 2 CR for rear charge, 1 CR for flank, and as long as you have a non-skirmishing unit (like cavalry) at US5+, then you negate rank bonus. Remember, flank and rear CR cannot stack (so two units rear charging only give 2 CR, not 4), and it only applies on the turn you charged.
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Re: Negating ranks

Postby Mist Walker » 08 May 2010, 21:54

Splintercell wrote:
Mivari wrote:just a supplement question question does a combo charge in the flanks AND the rear, lest say WR in the rear and dryads in the flank give 3 CR and neglet ranks ?

Yes, 2 CR for rear charge, 1 CR for flank, and as long as you have a non-skirmishing unit (like cavalry) at US5+, then you negate rank bonus. Remember, flank and rear CR cannot stack (so two units rear charging only give 2 CR, not 4), and it only applies on the turn you charged.


Clarifications-flank and flank does not stack nor does rear and rear but flank and rear does.

Correction-it works in every round but gets complicated when you have multiple rear charges from both players

And on an earlier point: treekin in the flank are nasty if you can get them there.
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Re: Negating ranks

Postby Splintercell » 09 May 2010, 03:42

Splintercell wrote:Remember, flank and rear CR cannot stack (so two units rear charging only give 2 CR, not 4)

Mist, thanks for clarifying, that was poorly worded.
Mist Walker wrote:Correction-it works in every round but gets complicated when you have multiple rear charges from both players

Touche, I guess I haven't played long enough to encounter a multiple flank assault that lasted more than one combat. Otherwise, if there was just a single rear or flank and neither unit broke, then the unit that got flanked/reared would turn to face the enemy to the front, therefore no more flank/rear bonus.

Oh man that could get messy indeed. Say Unit A gets charged into the left flank by B, and the right flank by C. If, in the next turn, A faces the front of B, then is C considered to be at the rear, and therefore get +2 combat res? That just seems weird to me.
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