Beware, the Wildwood Goes! 1000 - 2500 trees, help please
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Beware, the Wildwood Goes! 1000 - 2500 trees, help please
For 5th ed, I got my first WHFB army, Vampire Counts, which I still play as my main army. For 6th ed, I got a non-Fantasy Empire army, absolutely no magic, magic weapons, or fantasy elements and based on the historical armies of the French Religious Wars.
It is now time to choose my 7th ed army. Both of my other armies are counter-punchers. They have very little I can shove down the enemy’s throat. I have all the army books and have come to a short list of possible armies. One is a Wildwood/Tree based army. I would like an effective, fluffy, funnish army to play at 1000, 1500, 2000, 2250, and 2500 point and reasonably inexpensive.
1000 points
Branchwraith, lvl1 150
3 x 8 Dryads 300
1 x 4 Treekin 260
1 x Treeman 290
Up to
2500 points
Drycha 360
3 Branchwraith, lvl1 550 inc. spites
5 x 8 Dryads 500
2 x 4 Treekin 520
2 x Treemen 570 (edited to correct error)
These are rough outlines based on large amounts of Hypothesishammer. In my environment, I can always get at least one wood to place, unless in tournaments, in which case I must take my chances. Special characters are allowed, in general and not considered cheesy. I face Grimgor, Malus, Thorek, Morghur, and even Archaon.
BTW, I did use the search feature and have looked at tree armies going back to 2005, but it's 7th ed now and perhaps this requires changes.
It is now time to choose my 7th ed army. Both of my other armies are counter-punchers. They have very little I can shove down the enemy’s throat. I have all the army books and have come to a short list of possible armies. One is a Wildwood/Tree based army. I would like an effective, fluffy, funnish army to play at 1000, 1500, 2000, 2250, and 2500 point and reasonably inexpensive.
1000 points
Branchwraith, lvl1 150
3 x 8 Dryads 300
1 x 4 Treekin 260
1 x Treeman 290
Up to
2500 points
Drycha 360
3 Branchwraith, lvl1 550 inc. spites
5 x 8 Dryads 500
2 x 4 Treekin 520
2 x Treemen 570 (edited to correct error)
These are rough outlines based on large amounts of Hypothesishammer. In my environment, I can always get at least one wood to place, unless in tournaments, in which case I must take my chances. Special characters are allowed, in general and not considered cheesy. I face Grimgor, Malus, Thorek, Morghur, and even Archaon.
BTW, I did use the search feature and have looked at tree armies going back to 2005, but it's 7th ed now and perhaps this requires changes.
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I myself, would drop a Wrath or a unit of dryads in the second list for a singer w/ glamourweave, steed, scroll, and caligor's/ sphere. TREE SURF ALL THE WAY!!!
Also, a unit of WR with war banner for res wouldn't hurt at all!
What spites do your branchies have? Just to let you know, treemen cannot have spites unless they are ancients in which case they are lords and heroes.
So far, Very good list imo!
Also, a unit of WR with war banner for res wouldn't hurt at all!
What spites do your branchies have? Just to let you know, treemen cannot have spites unless they are ancients in which case they are lords and heroes.
So far, Very good list imo!
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I'm looking for advice on specific spite combinations. I don't have a clue. I've just made an allowance for them.
I'm not sure this army should have hotsaps in it; trees only. Maybe I could come up with a different type of Dryad which would be a Glamourweave spellsinger on a steed. Centaursingertree???
I'm not sure this army should have hotsaps in it; trees only. Maybe I could come up with a different type of Dryad which would be a Glamourweave spellsinger on a steed. Centaursingertree???
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well, you can find a few threads dedicated to spites, "Treeman Ancient Spites setup"and please don't call them "sprites". comes to mind Click here
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Dang, sorry about that, it's autospell correct. I typed in spites and it 'corrected' them to sprites.
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oh ok, that link should send you to a thread that I found very usefull, I suggest this, don't max out. Since you have so many wraiths, take one spite on each, since you have Drycha, you can't have cluster of Radiants or Blight of terrors because she has them already.
I, myself, like murder, Annoyance of Netlings, and Pageant of Shrikes. Take one on each and you are good!
I, myself, like murder, Annoyance of Netlings, and Pageant of Shrikes. Take one on each and you are good!
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OK. The 1000 point army:
Branchwraith, level 1, Radiants, Shrikes :- 165 points
3 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 288 points
1 x 4 Treekin :- 260 points
Treeman :- 285 points
TOTAL :- 998 points
Tiny, inexpensive, and interesting. Is it effective and is it 'fair'?
Thanks for your help Sethayla.
Branchwraith, level 1, Radiants, Shrikes :- 165 points
3 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 288 points
1 x 4 Treekin :- 260 points
Treeman :- 285 points
TOTAL :- 998 points
Tiny, inexpensive, and interesting. Is it effective and is it 'fair'?
Thanks for your help Sethayla.
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No problem, That army is a very good list, my last suggestion is that Shrikes be changed to AoN and Radiants be changed to Murder, your way is fine and there are people who would take what you took, but at 1000 there isn't much need for magic defense or picking characters out of units, my suggestion would be to put the branchy in a unit of dryads and combo charge the general's unit and challenge the general with AoN. Also, take a champion in the unit that the branchy is in so you can take challenges from the other general's champion and still challenge the general.
But right now, good work!
But right now, good work!
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Branchwraith, level 1, Netlings, Murder :- 165 points
3 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 288 points
1 x 4 Treekin :- 260 points
Treeman :- 285 points
TOTAL :- 998 points
I can't do everything you suggest because there are no points for the Branch Nymph, unless by dropping a Treekin???
I'll post 1500 points next.
3 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 288 points
1 x 4 Treekin :- 260 points
Treeman :- 285 points
TOTAL :- 998 points
I can't do everything you suggest because there are no points for the Branch Nymph, unless by dropping a Treekin???
I'll post 1500 points next.
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1500 points Trees
Branchwraith, level 1, Netlings, Murder :- 165 points
Branchwraith, level 1, Radiants :- 140
Branchwraith, level 1, Shrikes :- 140
2 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph @ 108 :- 216
3 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 288 points
1 x 4 Treekin :- 260 points
Treeman :- 285 points
TOTAL :- 1494 points
If I can justify hotsaps in the army, I could replace a Branchwraith with a small unit of Wild Riders, or even squeeze in a Level 2 Spellsinger, at the cost of one Branch Nymph too.
This army seems rather less efficient than the 1000 point one.
Branchwraith, level 1, Netlings, Murder :- 165 points
Branchwraith, level 1, Radiants :- 140
Branchwraith, level 1, Shrikes :- 140
2 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph @ 108 :- 216
3 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 288 points
1 x 4 Treekin :- 260 points
Treeman :- 285 points
TOTAL :- 1494 points
If I can justify hotsaps in the army, I could replace a Branchwraith with a small unit of Wild Riders, or even squeeze in a Level 2 Spellsinger, at the cost of one Branch Nymph too.
This army seems rather less efficient than the 1000 point one.
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Decent, I'd like to see 2x4 Treekin, or even 2x3 Treekin, but apart from that, it seems ok.
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That would be fine for me too. Where do think I should get the 130 points to go from 1 x 4 to 2 x 3???
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I think it's great to see an all-tree army - they're really quite rare. You have discovered though one of the small problems - 1500pts really is the worst size for them: Not able to take a Treeman Ancient, but high enough that you need more than just a Branchwraith. You might be able to get away with just two Branchwraiths though, thus freeing up those points you need.
I would like to take the chance to point out that 3's of Treekin really do need to be played more carefully than a 4-strong unit. A 4-strong unit, in a T formation, really don't have to worry about their flank so much (as two of them can attack back) but a 3-strong unit is, obviously, denied that luxury. So be careful .
I would like to take the chance to point out that 3's of Treekin really do need to be played more carefully than a 4-strong unit. A 4-strong unit, in a T formation, really don't have to worry about their flank so much (as two of them can attack back) but a 3-strong unit is, obviously, denied that luxury. So be careful .
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Well I could build it this way:
1500 points Trees
Branchwraith, level 1, Netlings, Murder :- 165
Branchwraith, level 1, Radiants, Shrikes :- 165
1 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph :- 108
4 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 384
2 x 3 Treekin :- 390
Treeman :- 285
TOTAL :- 1497 points
I haven't the experience (yet) to make decisions.
I'm thinking of painting my army in Ghostwood colors.
1500 points Trees
Branchwraith, level 1, Netlings, Murder :- 165
Branchwraith, level 1, Radiants, Shrikes :- 165
1 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph :- 108
4 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 384
2 x 3 Treekin :- 390
Treeman :- 285
TOTAL :- 1497 points
I haven't the experience (yet) to make decisions.
I'm thinking of painting my army in Ghostwood colors.
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What is your 2000pt force going to look like? I'm guessing at Treeman Ancient & two Branchwraiths (with spites juggled as appropriate), Dryads as per 1500pt selection, 2 x 4-strong Treekin and Treeman? If so, then I think your army list here (the most recent one) is fine and a good building block to it. Probably quite a hard list to play though - it'll do well while people get used to it, then it might struggle a little (which is when it really gets fun imo ).
Ghostwood colours sound great but with all that grey you'll need some richer colours in there somewhere to stop it from looking dull - you might need to really bring the bases in and even wrap coloured vines around the trees to do that.
Ghostwood colours sound great but with all that grey you'll need some richer colours in there somewhere to stop it from looking dull - you might need to really bring the bases in and even wrap coloured vines around the trees to do that.
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I'm colourblind. The whole world looks rather gray to me. Most of my armies are snow-themed/white-grey and my DWV IG use old metal Dryads for Ogryns with two CC weapons. I'm thinking of using them as my Branchwraiths. They look quite different to the current models; more like mini Treekin.
Once I get to 2000 points thre will be two different armies each for 2000, 2250, and 2500; one army for when special characters are allowed, one for when they are not.
Once I get to 2000 points thre will be two different armies each for 2000, 2250, and 2500; one army for when special characters are allowed, one for when they are not.
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2000 points Trees - with Drycha special character
Drycha special character :- 355
Branchwraith, level 1, Netlings, Murder :- 165
Branchwraith, level 1, Shrikes :- 140
4 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph :- 432
1 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 96
2 x 4 Treekin :- 520
Treeman :- 285
TOTAL :- 1993 points
Drycha special character :- 355
Branchwraith, level 1, Netlings, Murder :- 165
Branchwraith, level 1, Shrikes :- 140
4 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph :- 432
1 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 96
2 x 4 Treekin :- 520
Treeman :- 285
TOTAL :- 1993 points
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2000 points Trees - without special characters
Treeman Ancient, Netlings, Radiants :- 375 Edited to reflect
Branchwraith, level 1, Murder :- 140 the suggestions of Sethayla
Branchwraith, level 1, Shrikes :- 140
5 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph :- 540
2 x 4 Treekin :- 520
Treeman :- 285
TOTAL :- 2000 points
Any suggestions, comments, or ideas for 2250 and 2500 welcome, especially fo the addition of Forest Spirit Elfs.
Treeman Ancient, Netlings, Radiants :- 375 Edited to reflect
Branchwraith, level 1, Murder :- 140 the suggestions of Sethayla
Branchwraith, level 1, Shrikes :- 140
5 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph :- 540
2 x 4 Treekin :- 520
Treeman :- 285
TOTAL :- 2000 points
Any suggestions, comments, or ideas for 2250 and 2500 welcome, especially fo the addition of Forest Spirit Elfs.
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I would suggest putting the 2 spites on the ancient instead of the wrath because he is more durable but still... good work!
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Made the changes Sehayla. Will this work? Has anyone used an army like this with success? If I were to relent by including Elf Forest Spirits, what could/should I do?
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Hello all. I, too, am new to Wood Elves and have opted to make an all-tree army. The timliness of this thread is very encouraging. I expect my list to look something very similar to the ones here and welcome any advice on the finer points of using such a list effectively - particularly as it pertains to 7th Edition.
My trees are all very dark oaken with fall (orange, red and yellow) foliage. I'm using the LotR Treebeard model for my Ancient, plenty of dryads, two units of treekin ... and I guess another Treeman.
However, I am big into conversions and "counts as" models. Do you think it would be bad form to use a more conventional list and just convert models to suit the need? (For example, there was a dryad-centaur mentioned in an older thread. Is this generally acceptable?)
Thanks in advance.
My trees are all very dark oaken with fall (orange, red and yellow) foliage. I'm using the LotR Treebeard model for my Ancient, plenty of dryads, two units of treekin ... and I guess another Treeman.
However, I am big into conversions and "counts as" models. Do you think it would be bad form to use a more conventional list and just convert models to suit the need? (For example, there was a dryad-centaur mentioned in an older thread. Is this generally acceptable?)
Thanks in advance.
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Great to have you pipe in Luke.
I've got some good information so far. I too am thinking of using Treebeard or one of the new Ents for my Ancient and/or Treeman.
I've got some good information so far. I too am thinking of using Treebeard or one of the new Ents for my Ancient and/or Treeman.
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The normal Treeman models are okay, I guess, but they can't compare to Treebeard. That's what a walking tree is supposed to look like!
I found some non-GW treekin-sized tree-dudes at a local game store. I'm going to make a unit of those, in addition to a unit of GW regulars. My group doesn't care about brands, but I like to get an occasional game at the battle bunker and they get kinda uptight sometimes.
I really like the dryad models and Drycha was, by far, one of my favorite character models to ever paint. As I mentioned, I've been entertaining the notion of dryad-centaurs to better expand the all-tree theme to a more forest spirit oriented one. Just so long as there are no Elves on my side of the board...
I found some non-GW treekin-sized tree-dudes at a local game store. I'm going to make a unit of those, in addition to a unit of GW regulars. My group doesn't care about brands, but I like to get an occasional game at the battle bunker and they get kinda uptight sometimes.
I really like the dryad models and Drycha was, by far, one of my favorite character models to ever paint. As I mentioned, I've been entertaining the notion of dryad-centaurs to better expand the all-tree theme to a more forest spirit oriented one. Just so long as there are no Elves on my side of the board...
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- Bladesinger
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I think the final list looks good, as to how to play it - well I've not played an all forest force so I can't really give accurate advice, however it strikes me that it'll be similar to playing a Beastherd army (lots of Skirmishers and some big hitters) so in that regard it's probably a steam forwards and get stuck in style of play, using the Treemen to take flak away from the softer units.
@Luke - counts as models are generally absolutely fine among friends and less GW-controlled stores but can cause waves at official shops. Just a case of playing it by ear and seeing were you prefer to play.
@Luke - counts as models are generally absolutely fine among friends and less GW-controlled stores but can cause waves at official shops. Just a case of playing it by ear and seeing were you prefer to play.
- ArchMagosAlchemys
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2250 points Trees - with Drycha special character
Drycha special character :- 355
Branchwraith, level 1, Netlings, Murder :- 165
Branchwraith, level 1, Shrikes :- 140
1 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph :- 108
4 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 384
2 x 4 Treekin :- 520
2 x Treeman :- 570
TOTAL :- 2242 points
This one I'm not so sure about. Another possibility is:
2250 points Trees - with Drycha special character
Drycha special character :- 355
Branchwraith, level 1, Netlings, Murder :- 165
Branchwraith, level 1, Shrikes :- 140
4 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph :- 432
1 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 96
3 x 4 Treekin :- 780
Treeman :- 285
TOTAL :- 2253 points
I think I need the first list for the extra Treesinging. Any other ideas for this?
Drycha special character :- 355
Branchwraith, level 1, Netlings, Murder :- 165
Branchwraith, level 1, Shrikes :- 140
1 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph :- 108
4 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 384
2 x 4 Treekin :- 520
2 x Treeman :- 570
TOTAL :- 2242 points
This one I'm not so sure about. Another possibility is:
2250 points Trees - with Drycha special character
Drycha special character :- 355
Branchwraith, level 1, Netlings, Murder :- 165
Branchwraith, level 1, Shrikes :- 140
4 x 8 Dryads, Branch Nymph :- 432
1 x 8 Dryads @ 96 :- 96
3 x 4 Treekin :- 780
Treeman :- 285
TOTAL :- 2253 points
I think I need the first list for the extra Treesinging. Any other ideas for this?
Airmeith: Healer of the Twisted Glade
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
Julius 'Groucho' Marx
Burn the Heretic!
Treachery Aforth: Witches purged = 0
War of Blood: 3 Daemonettes, last wound Keeper of Secrets
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
Julius 'Groucho' Marx
Burn the Heretic!
Treachery Aforth: Witches purged = 0
War of Blood: 3 Daemonettes, last wound Keeper of Secrets